Session 59

SESSION 59 JUNE 3, 1964 9 PM WEDNESDAY AS INSTRUCTED em>(On Tuesday, June 2, I missed trying psychological time. On Wed. 6/3, 8:00 PM: No results. On Wed, 6/3, 11:15 AM, Jane achieved a flash of a man’s face.

(By 8:45 PM Jane was nervous as usual before a session. No witnesses had appeared. Jane began dictating in a rather quiet voice, and maintained it for most of the session. She paced as usual and her eyes darkened as usual.)

Good evening.

(“Good evening, Seth.”)

You have seen that the ego is a building block. It never becomes less than a unit, and may become more.

The fragments that may develop from it do not make it less. At one time I mentioned massive units or blocks of intelligent energy, pyramids of psychic comprehensions, of which I cannot tell you too much at this time; but perhaps you can begin to perceive now how such comprehensions could be formed.

Perhaps you can begin to sense the value fulfillment of such intelligent energy structures. You know very well that time as you know it has no meaning except within the domain of your own plane. I have hinted once in the past that I was touched by something that could be loosely related to, or substituted for, what you think of as time. It has nothing to do with intervals, or with beginnings or endings.

It has to do with not physical growth, of course, but with psychic fulfillment, which is as you know value fulfillment. We will call this quality-depth (hyphen), and yet it has nothing to do with space. This is a quality existing with assurance of expansion, in terms of value fulfillment.

Quality-depth is therefore a sort of perspective having to do with value fulfillment. I can perhaps give you an analogy. Quality-depth is the sort of perspective, the only perspective, in which an idea can expand. It could be said to take the place of both your space and time, though this is somewhat simplifying matters.

It is the perspective in which psychic motion occurs. In hypnosis for example a trance is said to be light or deep. This corresponds somewhat to the kind of depth that is involved here. Unfortunately, when you think of depth you think in terms of a movement at once inward and outward.

Here we will most probably run into some difficulty, but I will try to explain what I mean, and will clear up any questions later. As the self has an inner and an outer ego, so also does the inside finally become the outside. Theoretically for example, if followed through, a deep trance leading to a deeper inside so to speak, would bring you ultimately to another outside. The outer ego for example would meet the inner ego, and vice versa.

This is an instance of true traveling, or psychic motion. Now this quality that could be said to be a substitute for your space and time, this quality-depth, represents the perspective in which this sort of psychic traveling or psychic motion, or any psychic action, occurs; and its depth can be understood not in terms of downward action, but perhaps you can comprehend it if you think of a deep trance, for example, as definitely having motion, though the body may be motionless.

But in a trance depth, as in quality-depth, the motion has a direction that cannot be thought of in terms of up or down, north or south, east or west. The motion is action through quality or value dimension. I have been meaning to speak about this. It could easily be called the inner extension of your psychological time, so you will see its importance.

Psychological time indeed involves you in the initial venturing. It is like an outer rim. This quality-depth is our only true perspective. Again, no intervals are involved. I find difficulty in choosing words evocative for my meaning.

I suggest your break.

(Break at 9:27. Again for a first break, Jane was fully dissociated. She knew that she was dictating very slowly, she said, yet she was not groping. She felt Seth was searching her vocabulary in order to express himself as best he could. Here she thought that Seth was dealing with a concept that was not suited for expression in words, nor was it meant to be expressed in words. Jane felt that what came through was close enough but still left a lot to be desired.

(She resumed in the same deliberate and quiet manner at 9:31.)

Quality-depth is therefore the perspective in which all psychic actions occur, all ideas and universes expand. This expansion occurs in infinite dimensions, as perhaps it could be said that an apple develops about its core; and that perhaps is not a good analogy.

You see, your idea of geometry, the circle, triangles and squares, are so based upon your own plane that the apple analogy containing the circle idea will be inadequate, since not enough dimensions are implied. The massive pyramids of comprehension have experienced such magnificent quality-depth that they represent, to the best of my knowledge, the highest or most perfect psychic entity formation.

And yet they are not complete in terms of an entire possession of comprehension. They are not because, that is they are not entire or complete or perfect, in terms of quality-depth, because as far as I know such a perfection is impossible. A sublime discontent will drive them to form ever-new patterns of existence, new perspectives of quality-depth, in which to move and explore.

I do not wish to become so involved that you literally screech at me for explanations. Nevertheless, once you asked me about the weather where I am, and I put you off. This is, I admit, somewhat of a play on words. Nevertheless, I have spoken of the value climate of psychological reality.

Now if you wish, quality-depth operates within the value climate of psychological reality, and gives truly amazing dimension to the spacious present, which is contained within the value climate of psychological reality.

You may if you wish consider the quality-depth principle as blowing like a wind through the spacious present, it indeed being like a wind in that it is known by its effects; and if you must think of it visually it would, perhaps, have a funnel shape. All of these concepts are most difficult to translate into word patterns.

I suggest your break. And I must say that with the necessary use of words as symbols we are, nevertheless, doing very well.

(Break at 9:51. Jane was dissociated as usual. For the last several minutes, I had become increasingly aware of some of the now familiar sensation Jane and I label as “fat hands.” It was strongest in the fingers of my left hand this time, whereas usually my right hand will be most involved. I did not attempt any measurements this time, being satisfied now that when this feeling of enlargement is present, there is a definite physical difference. See the 54th session, page 99. Jane’s hands were not affected although they had been in the last session.

(Last week, Jane had awakened with the lower left side of her jaw badly swollen. The doctor had not thought it a bad tooth, and put her on a regimen of anti-biotics. The swelling was now gone and Jane felt all right, though she planned to see a dentist for an X-ray to check upon any possible bad tooth. She had no trouble eating. Now during break, she used the pendulum to ask her subconscious a few questions about the cause of the swelling; the answers she obtained indicated the cause was psychosomatic, and that a salivary gland had been involved. While she was conducting this little session, she reported that she felt a great, amused tolerance from Seth.

(She resumed in the same manner at 10:03.)

It is much easier for me to deal with other people’s illnesses and health nuisances, than it is to deal with Ruburt’s. He asks me a question and then slams the ego gates down, refusing to hear the answer. Because of any distortive possibilities, I try to stay out of such matters unless they are serious.

Whenever dates are mentioned, incidentally, I would suggest caution and attention, regardless of the reason given or the person to whom the date is supposed to be significant. This is good general practice. A few times, because Ruburt was so upset, I managed to console him by saying that he wasn’t pregnant when he rather feared that he might be. But you are not after all supposed to depend upon me, but to develop your own insights, and also to gain from your own mistakes and experience. This is why I do not give you gaudy predictions.

Ruburt is quite free to use the pendulum. This involves something that has nothing to do with me, but is a fairly reliable method of reaching the subconscious. As a rule the answers are dependable, and this is all I will say.

The material with which we are dealing tonight is extremely vital, and yet is only given in outline form. Incidentally for Ruburt’s benefit, first he finds difficulty with his writing and then gets something wrong with him physically, not the other way around.

He will not have to worry about serious physical illness, nor will you, Joseph; as a sideline, often physical illness of a serious nature, or habitual bad health, can often be taken as an indication that the individual involved is in the maelstrom, the center, of his reincarnational cycle upon your plane. By the time that the end of the cycle is reached, minor disabilities are all that are usually encountered, because the vitality has been largely freed, and usually the most devastating problems have been solved.

(By now, the sensation had left my hands.)

Any serious illness possible or probable in Ruburt’s present existence would have occurred in his youth, at the age of 15, when a severe psychic crisis threatened. A serious illness was possible for you, Joseph, at the age of 33, and was averted. However, in all cases even minor physical nuisances deplete energy. Energy is yours for the asking, as you know, but you must know enough to ask.

Neither of you will lose physical organs from this time on, unless you drastically alter your personalities in an unwholesome manner. There is no doubt that Ruburt should stop smoking. However I know that he will, and am not concerned.

(At this point Jane held up her hands, indicating that now they were fat.)

Since we are on the subject I suggest that Ruburt wash his mouth four times a day, for at least a week, with salt water. This will be advantageous. Also that he continue what he is doing as far as writing poetry for at least an hour after supper.

Subconsciously his development along this line is of supreme importance to him, and working less at poetry will cause psychosomatic symptoms. He is afraid of speaking out aggressively when he feels unjustly taken advantage of, as he did not speak out against his mother out of fear of reprisal.

Now, he does not send quite normal letters of inquiry to editors for the same reason, turning the aggression he feels inward against himself, and as a result in a few cases suffering, as far as the editors are concerned, since some of them move only when pushed.

A deep feeling of dissatisfaction will show itself in early symptoms of furniture moving; not on a casual and to-be-expected normal scale, but on a truly monumental scale. The aggression however wants to be directed against the living things, and in lieu of angry letters Ruburt finally stops moving furniture and literally shoves himself around.

I tell you this so that you will know that if the sudden disruption of your quiet apartment is a sign of such aggression, its sudden aftermath is often a sign for stiff necks and sore gums. It would be much easier, I should think, in the long run for Ruburt to direct his aggression against the proper persons, where at least it will be understood. Editors like other human beings know when they are lax.

If I can manage Ruburt then I will have a bit more to say, but only a bit after you take your needed break.

(Break at 10:31. Jane was dissociated as usual. My hand was somewhat weary, and her voice showed signs of weariness also. She resumed at 10:36.)

Quality-depth, as you probably guessed, can be added to our rules or principles of the inner universe. You will have more to do with it as your experiments with psychological time continue.

Incidentally my dear Joseph, I overheard you as you made a rather sardonic remark concerning my statement that you would have more energy as you needed it. All allusions to the contrary, such is the case; and only your attitude, which is more or less natural under the circumstances, holds you back.

(“I’ve been wondering about that.”(As I recall, I made the remark several days ago.)

It is more important than you know. Subconsciously like many others you believe that once energy is spent it is gone, and also that you have only some arbitrary amount of energy to be used, after which you will become bankrupt. This is not only a false belief but a dangerous and limiting one.

It makes you use the last bit of available energy before replacement. The correct statement is that you have truly and practically inexhaustible stores of energy to draw upon. So-called nervous energy is that amount of energy present within the physical organism at any particular point.

Energy, by nature, replaces itself and thrives with use. A false conception of energy however results in a psychic refusal to transform completely available energy into physical terms, merely because of the subconscious belief that such a transformation is basically impossible.

You both should progress along these lines. In some respects under usual circumstances at least, Ruburt is more proficient than you, but in times of crisis he reverts and runs full steam ahead on limited energy; often quite automatically he transforms available and abundant psychic energy for his own purposes, and later forgets how he has done it.

Too-conscious an attempt will not help, but this material should help. The physical organism does indeed require sleep, but only the physical organism with its brain. The mind is continually in vigilance. Nevertheless when you are more proficient you will, with the aid of automatic use of psychological time, be able to operate much more effectively, and be upheld by energy without strain.

This will be one of the very practical contributions of these sessions to daily life. I am not going to keep you until 11:30. Nevertheless these statements concerning energy should be taken most seriously, for you both can benefit from them. They are not distortions. Ruburt’s performance during our sessions should certainly be adequate proof for my statements concerning additional energy automatically taken and used.

(Seth’s point here is certainly well taken, and Jane and I have often discussed her phenomenal physical performance during sessions. If one were to set out consciously determined to go walking for a period of two hours, twice a week without fail, he might approximate somewhat what is involved. But Jane, while thus engaged, is also busy translating Seth’s messages and speaking them aloud. So a more accurate performance might be for one to take a two-hour walk, talking constantly the while; the combination interspersed with perhaps three short breaks.)

A very short mention of some foot trouble you had, Joseph, in California.

The nail had to do with a horseshoe in a previous life. At that time an unshod horse stepped upon a nail caught between the wooden planks of a portion of a stable floor, the nail being in an upright position and the horse’s foot tender from an injury.

Your father in that life tried to control the horse but its forefoot came down upon the nail. Your father planked the hot shoe upon the foot and you screamed, thinking of the horse’s pain. You were three. When you stepped upon the nail in California, the memory leaped from the depths of the third level of the subconscious, through shock, into the uppermost or first subconscious level.

This was the reason for your serious physical trouble. It would not have been so serious except that in the stable as a child, you could not understand how or why your father would so inflict pain upon the horse, slamming the hot shoe upon the wounded foot. You identified in terror with the animal, and hence when you stepped on the nail for a moment the identification brought on the physical condition.

The horse-serum base given you therefore only made the situation worse. This caused your violent physical reaction. The touch of paralysis was a result of your earlier paralysis of fear—would your father treat you in the same manner?

(While giving me the above data, Jane as Seth asked me if I was tired, and I said no although my hand was somewhat cramped. The incident referred to above took place in Santa Monica, California in I believe September of 1956. Jane and I were visiting her father there, who was building some apartments. The nail I stepped on penetrated rather deeply through the sole of my shoe, but was not very painful; but since it was rusty we thought it best to get a tetanus shot. We went into the house to wash the foot, and much to my surprise I fainted.

(Before giving me the shot in his office, the doctor gave me a skin test for sensitivity, which proved negative. But three days later while driving in downtown Los Angeles I was seized with severe stomach cramps. I barely made it home, and spent the next month recuperating from a violent reaction to the horse-serum-based shot. I could not walk for perhaps a week. I now must carry a warning card in my wallet, and have been told another such shot would probably be fatal.

(The hypnosis session referred to here by Seth took place some months ago, and the information given here in this session does not contradict any other information I gave while hypnotized. Jane has the event on tape and is using it in her book on ESP. We have often wondered about the validity of the material I gave during the hypnosis session; we have meant to probe further but have not had the time.)

Steep steps led up to your house at that time. Your wife’s name I believe when you grew was Nell B-r-o-w-n-e-l-l. You will find an affinity to horses or with horses if you try to paint them.

(“What was my name in that life?”)

Your name was Williams, as your hypnotic session showed. You met Ruburt in Boston, in this country, after an absence from him. You did have five children in the family, that is, two brothers and three sisters, one sister dying before you were grown.

(“What did I mean by using the word Maryland, when Jane asked me where I lived in that life?”(During the hypnotic session I had been unable to be more specific about where I had lived.)

Ruburt blocks me. It was not in this country. You came here, to Boston. Maryland is a city. It is not a state in your country, in which you were born. Records may be possibly found in Boston. Your mother’s name was Josephine, hence your name was Joseph, even then.

You were at that time slim and disciplined to some degree, ending up however with four children and a wife who became an invalid, the wife being Ruburt’s present mother. Ruburt has blocked this in the past. You did not get along well, and instantly disliked each other in this life.

Walter Zeh was your wife’s sister. I have decided to tell you this. Walter Zeh was tubercular, and also as a woman extremely fleshy, as indeed your wife was. When Walter met Ruburt’s mother they also disliked each other instantly in this life, since they quarreled over the same man, and you were that man. You wanted the sister that you did not get. In other words you wanted Ruburt’s present mother.

If you are tired, I will end the session. You will have to judge.

(I asked Jane if she wanted to end the session, but she merely shrugged. I could see that she was somewhat tired; her voice was getting hoarse also, but since I hoped we could get a little more information to verify the hypnosis experiment, for use in Jane’s book, I decided to continue.

(“All right, we’ll continue for a few more minutes.”)

Here we see patterns re-enacting. Ruburt is all right, although he will try and block me when he can. Of course he knew his present mother earlier, but only as an acquaintance. The familiarity drew him this time and that is all.

You became disillusioned with your wife. You had a brief affair with the sister, that is Ruburt’s present mother, but she was even then like a vulture and scared you off. She never forgave you for breaking with her.

I can get no more material through, as Ruburt I am afraid will begin to distort.

(It appears to Jane and me that a distortion has already appeared, since Seth states that I wanted the sister I did not get, yet also married her. I will ask Seth about it in a future session. I did not catch the error during dictation; being as usual so busy writing, I have more than once found it easy to lose track of the content of the words I am transcribing. Too, Seth has previously stated that distortions are most likely to appear either in the beginning or at the end of a session; and this one cropped up close to the end.

(“Well then, can you tell use what my occupation was in that life?”)

Your occupation was that of an Episcopal clergyman.

I wish you both a fond good evening.

There was a church of brick, in a neighborhood at first pleasant and then deteriorating. An old mansion across the street was turned into a grocery store. There was, later, a dress shop nearby, and from the third story window front you could see the water.

You were ordained under peculiar circumstances, not being educated in orthodox terms. When you migrated to Boston you took the name of Drake. I do not know the first name. You were young when you migrated, and the ship was three days late. Smallpox broke out in the hold. A captain took you under his wing. You did not sign on as you should, and were discovered; but you reminded him of a nephew, last name Phillips, and he protected you. There was also a girl on board.

She is the present Dee Masters, and your Ruburt knew her in Boston as the rich wife of a politician. You visited your friend’s apothecary shop twice.

(Jane’s voice was by now very hoarse and tired, yet she continued. I take Seth’s reference to a friend’s apothecary shop to mean the one operated by our friend in this life, John Bradley, who has been a witness to several sessions. According to Seth, John in his immediate past life ran such a shop in Boston; he moved at that time in the outer circle of our acquaintance. See the 21st session in Vol. One). In that life Seth states John died in 1863, which helps determine the time Jane and I lived in our immediately past life also.)

I do not know how much further Ruburt will go along with me. There was one illegitimate child as a result of your affair with Ruburt’s present mother. The church had three bells. You were disciplined in all ways except sexual ways. You had close to 300 parishioners and a very husky voice. You died at 63 and were buried in the church courtyard.

(Here Jane laughed.)

Ruburt has used his reserves of energy for the night, attempting to block me. However quite a bit of good information came through and so I must say good night, this time for Ruburt’s sake, as he is blocking Walter Zeh or Z-i-a-k-a material most strongly.

(“Good night, Seth.”(End at 11:30. Jane was dissociated. She was now very tired, her voice very weak. All she wanted to do was sleep. Neither of us displayed any hand phenomena by now.)

(While trying psychological time I had the following experiences:

(Thurs. 6/4, 8:30 PM: No results.

(Friday 6/5, 9:30 PM: I tried this session without deliberately inducing the light trance state. Saw a little girl in a short dress kicking up the dust in a gutter beside a curb; making the dust fly quite diligently. Also heard some popular music. I was snapped out of the desired state several times by a shouting voice, unrecognized. Also several other vague glimpses and sounds.

(Sat. 6/6: Missed.

(Sun. 6/7, 3:30 AM: Had been asleep but woke up. While in desired state I then saw very vividly and with some duration the head and shoulders of a handsome man of about 40, facing me but not looking at me. First his face looked to my right, then the head swung slowly to my left. This was quite vivid; there were highlights of blue and white in his hair, which was black; I also remember the highlights on the side of his face, and the skin texture. He wore a blue or black suit coat, white shirt, dark tie. Face was animated; he could have been speaking to others. I also believe I heard some voices.

(Mon. 6/8, 4:30 PM: Glimpse of Jane and I in bathing suits on long beach similar to those at Daytona. Walking towards me. There was water on the right, an incline up the left, and we were just beginning to go up the incline. Jane was swinging some kind of big bath towel or beach blanket around. Some duration here. Saw the two figures some distance away, full figure.)

—————————————————— em>(Jane: Sat. 6/6, sometime in the AM: I wanted to get a pair of stockings but didn’t know whether the store I had in mind, the Walnut St. Market, carried them. I then saw very clearly in my mind a rack of stockings in the store. When Rob and I went to the store, the stockings in a rack were there just as I had seen them.

(Jane: Sun. 6/7, 11:15 AM: I was reading some pages from some kind of psychic journal, dated sometime in 1962. I could read the material very plainly, but forgot the contents on arising.)