Session 442

SESSION 442 OCTOBER 14, 1968 9:30 PM MONDAY Good evening.

(“Good evening, Seth.”)

Now. I have several remarks to make. First, Ruburt’s decision not to speak to Dr. Freudenberger’s class was a good one at this time (underlined). There is no reason to elaborate here. (See the 439th session, September 30, 1968.)

Another improvement, a considerable one, can shortly be expected in Ruburt’s physical condition, and I believe rather unexpected word concerning a book.

There are several points I would like to make concerning psychological identity. For the sake of analogy only now, imagine your present self at the center of a circle of endless spirals. You are yourself, and yet one of the spirals that form the circle. You are a vortex for the circle. You do not have to contact it nor its other spirals, in that you already belong to it.

Now the same is true of other portions of your entity, if you consider any other given portion as being the vortex of its own circle. In any psychic investigations or endeavors you will often gain assistance and support from those others who make up the circle of which you are a part.

Now I am speaking simply, for I am speaking of a circle as you understand it in three-dimensional terms, but there are more depths and dimensions to a circle than you can imagine when you picture, say, a globe; and so of course in this analogy identity has other dimensions that do not appear.

Give us a moment with this. (Pause. ) There are points or identities more easily reached from any given viewpoint within such a multidimensional structure. (Jane drew in the air, eyes open.) Imagine a superstructure of a circle, put together like a pie, except that each segment is also in itself a globe, and that this structure is in itself an exterior one, the multidimensional equivalent of the pie’s crust or the apple’s skin.

Now the circumference of these circles interlap and bisect each other. Nor are the dimensions of circumference or radius stationary in your terms, for they exist in value fulfillment rather than in space, and their measurements in terms of intensity rather than in inches or miles.

They are to a large degree, but not entirely, self-perpetuating, as if the seeds of an apple, instead of falling down to the ground, fell backward into some mysterious dimension within the core of the apple itself. And yet because of the creative abilities of this mysterious dimension, more than inbreeding would be concerned, for it of itself could provide entirely fresh and new elements out of which further creativity could come.

Now this is identity as it is not generally known, and in this analogy lies the truth of the nature of identity. Later you will understand it better.

You and Ruburt have changed since our sessions began. I have also changed. Because I have changed you have changed, and because you have changed I have changed; and each new encounter continually changes, yet in a way that has to do with developments, not single-line continuity.

You may take your break and we shall continue.

(9:49. Jane easily emerged from a deep trance, she said. She said she didn’t feel like delivering any more emotional material at the moment. She had internal images or visions of the circles and vortexes as Seth spoke, but she could not now put these into words. They also changed as Seth continued discussing the analogies involved.

(The data at the beginning of the session re unexpected word concerning a book reminded Jane of an amusing dream she had last night, and which she has written down per usual: She dreamed that her science-fiction novel, The Rebellers , was being made into a movie.

(Jane’s pace, voice, pauses, etc. had been average, and remained so when she resumed at 9:59.)

Now. From my standpoint your various reincarnated selves are not seen separately, but as your earthly personality.

Our contacts now are not just contacts with Robert F. Butts and Jane Roberts, and that is why I have always used your entity names. The contact is also with your other reincarnated selves that you do not presently recall. (Smiling:) I see a larger portion of your identity than you do.

(“Yes.”)

And when I speak to you I speak also to other portions of you that I have known and do know.

(“What do you see right now?”)

Right now I see you symbolically speaking, in your terms, as the sum of the various people I have known in past lives as you, plus the you that is present, in your terms. In terms then of vision, I see Joseph rather than Robert. And I speak through Ruburt rather than the less—rather than the more limited concept of Jane. Do you follow me?

(“Yes.”)

Now. Our relationship, simply in these terms, is multidimensional. For you also react to me unknowingly on the basis of other relationships with me that you do not consciously recall.

In the future now that Ruburt has loosened, we will deal with your reincarnational backgrounds in some detail. Now give me a moment. (Pause.)

In terms again of the image set up earlier, there are various reference points where overlapping areas of the various circles penetrate each other; and as has been mentioned earlier, Ruburt’s personality presently is in such a psychological location.

Your reinforcement is necessary however, for you act as an amplifier. One of the reasons is obvious, to me. My own personality, as simply as possible, also represents such a reference point or entry point between you and Ruburt and myself. Because, again as simply as I can explain it, because of our natures a certain field has been set up of receptivity, and though our positions change, the quotients within it do not.

Now mathematicians will not like this, but in your (underlined) terms within the multidimensional circle image, we form a triangle. The triangle is mobile, but we are to some extent (underline some) eternally allied. We were always formed something more than we are individually, in your terms.

Now this is not unique by any means. There are numberless other such situations, and I mean numberless. Comparatively speaking however, the situation is unique.

Now within our relationship as a triangle, dimensions are open and constantly changing. Because of it we have all a rather unusual freedom. Now, I am part of another triangle still, that is within this circle, and through my contacts with this other triangle there are abilities, perceptions, insights, talents available to you that you have barely begun to tap.

You will (to me) particularly since Ruburt makes his way from his own dark age. One of these developments will occur in our sessions, one in particular through Ruburt outside of a session, I believe , and another should take place initially Joseph through you. Or with you as main agent and instigator.

The other personality for which Ruburt has spoken is a part of this other triangle. (Jane leaned forward, intent and amused.) Which leaves you with two unknown elements you see. Surprises— (“I’m thinking about it.”)

—are not surprises unless their main elements are withheld. I tell you this so that later when developments occur, you may find that within our sessions, again, that the ground has been prepared.

The circle image that I gave you is meant to represent the basic meaning of each individual’s entity. Within it each individual is free. In the simplest of terms I have tried to suggest through analogy the multidimensional aspects of a basic self.

You sleep and dream and waken daily, and know that you are you. So in your physical life you die and begin a new life, with little memory of the one that has gone before, as you find it so difficult to recall your dreams. Through exercises you can consciously remember some dreams. Through exercises you can consciously remember some reincarnations.

If you are interested I will give you such exercises, but whether or not you remember these lives consciously is of little importance, for you have subconscious knowledge of them. This is your last reincarnation, in your terms. At death you will consciously realize the sum of your reincarnated selves. To me that is your personality, but this is only a small part of your overall self. To me it is as if you had finished one life, you see. To you it will seem as if you had finished many.

Then the integration will take place, and you will realize that the various incarnated selves were as but days in your present existence.

(To me.) I speak to you as Joseph, and all unknowingly you react as Joseph; (leans forward) for Robert F. Butts alone, or Jane Roberts alone, would never have met me.

Are your fingers tired?

(“A little.” The pace had been fast.)

You may take your break and we will continue, or end the session as you prefer.

(“Okay, we’ll take a break.” (Pause at 10:31.) Ruburt may be invited to go somewhere or do something, on a Wednesday shortly, and I suggest that he not do so. There seems to be a situation that could arise, that would be highly unpleasant to him, and therefore to you.

The request will be sprung upon him, and that is why I am telling you in advance, to prepare him. A car would be somehow involved, and a probable accident with another driver. This seems to be the season for accidents, according to our sessions.

A cousin seems to be involved, though not necessarily of your family. For example, someone may want him to speak to a relative, or visit one. This is a probability. Four people would be involved. He has only to refuse, politely.

The episode would take place fairly shortly in your time, in the immediate future. Now I am after something here, difficult to pinpoint, and will give you what clues I can. (Pause.)

Do not drive with anyone else. The situation could arise (underline could) when others here suggest you go somewhere. The situation does not seem planned, in other words. There is an element of surprise. Normality that could catch you unaware.

The number 6 comes to mind, and Ruburt in particular should drive only with you. And both of you should be alert even driving together, in a situation where you are asked to visit, or go somewhere else with two other people.

We are getting more of this sort of information because Ruburt allows it now, but since it involves yourselves we are learning personally to get through such information, where with others we have progressed to some extent beyond that point, you see. This represents progression on Ruburt’s part, but he must still learn lessons that he has already learned in giving such information to others. Do you follow?

(“Yes.”)

Take your break.

(10:40. Jane sat motionless in her rocker now, head tipped to her left shoulder. I had to call her many times to help her out of her trance. She held a lighted cigarette also and it was burning closer to her fingers, so I took it away.

(It took a long time to coax and command her out of her trance. When finally her eyes began to open, briefly, they showed a tendency to roll up. She would quickly correct this rolling each time. When at last she began to talk she said she was “not really here, but not out of my body either,” while giving this automobile-accident probability data.

(Her trance had been so deep we called this the end of the session. The auto accident data was quite unasked for and unexpected. Jane had a feeling of four other people in a car, with us, but couldn’t be more definite. The Gallaghers came to mind now as we discussed this, but she doesn’t know why. A bit later Jane thought of Claire Crittenden, who is out of town, again without knowing why.

(Needless to say, after the session I impressed upon Jane the necessity of her avoiding other cars, no matter what the reason given for their use. I stressed that she shouldn’t get in any car besides our own, or make appointments or take spontaneous rides with anyone for any reason. I also resolved to be extra careful in my own driving, even when alone.

(It is Saturday, October 19 as this is written now, and so far nothing untoward accidentwise has developed for either of us. Each day we have reminded ourselves to be careful. I have been especially cautious, even driving to work, etc. We will continue this regimen.

(One possible ride Jane might have taken with another was obviated when she decided not to lecture to Dr. Freudenberger’s class at NYU in White Plains, NY. Jane was offered a ride there by an ESP class member, and this would have been on a Wednesday. Note that at the start of this session Seth agreed with Jane’s decision not to lecture to Dr. F’s class, without saying why.

(A note: In connection with her markedly improved physical condition of late, Jane had the impression it was due to her work with the spiritual healers—Edwards & Co. in England.)