July 17, 1972

July 17, 1972 for publication 31 years later.)]

``{=html} (I studied this session to better grasp my Nebene characteristics then and now) by painting his image, and then drawing him again, but now I'm appalled by my behavior in first-century Rome. Yet Seth's Nebene rings true---even including my relationship with Jane way back then.)

``{=html} (And, of course, recording the thousands of pages of the Seth material in my meticulous way for over 20 years surely reflects a large portion of the Nebene psyche: keeping his own "purified" translations of ancient records.)

In dealing with these records he was suspicious of creativity, for he feared it could lead to original alterations where instead a literal interpretation was important. He was also however a creative man so there were personality conflicts, and he literally forced the creativity to take a weak secondary position.

The dilemma was, here now, between truth---a literal translation of ancient records---or a creative approach which could lead to falsification, so he was highly suspicious of the creativity in himself.

Through discipline he thought that he had this suspicious creativity well in hand. He feared that his students would not have the same kind of integrity. He was therefore very severe in dealing with originality on the part of his students, considering it, again, a threat. He was indeed a taskmaster.

Now when you met Ruburt, and I will give you connecting points here, you recognized the strong creative abilities, and appreciated them, encouraged them. But within you also through association the remnants of Nebene roused themselves into action. The abilities were to be used.

You knew that.

The Nebene within you however was quite certain that they must also be disciplined, kept within bounds and watched carefully. The same applied to your own creative abilities, where for some time a divergence from a literal pictorial illustration was felt to be wrong, or off. Some other ersonal information that I gave you concerning your relationship with your father this time also fits in here.

Now Nebene was aroused whenever the abilities showed themselves most spontaneously in Ruburt. Ruburt recognized the Nebene within you when first you met. Jane was dancing quite spontaneously, incidentally, and to boot somewhat tipsy. She felt you aloof and disapproving of the waste of energy, watching but not [swept along] as the other males were. A part of you enjoying the performance but a part, Nebene, critically wondering about the undisciplined use of such energy.

In this life Ruburt feared a laxness within himself because of his mother's remarks about his father. He knew his own abilities. He feared he did not have the wisdom to use them wisely. They must be appreciated but not spent foolishly. You appreciated them.

The Nebene in you could be counted upon to see that they were not squandered.

You did know Ruburt in the past as Nebene, and she was then a dancing girl.

(When was that life?)

This is in your life as Nebene. Let us get to the details in our time.

You died, I believe, shortly after the time of Christ---that is, somewhere between 35 and 50 AD.

You had a relationship of which Nebene did not approve, a sexual one.

There were countless cults, and Ruburt as a woman was a prostitute riestess---the term is not a good one---of a particularly sensuous cult that had a connection with the land of Constantinople.

(Turkey.)

It was emotional, unrestrained, given to orgies. You were unresistingly drawn to it, the power of your inhibited tendencies propelling you for release. So you had a secret life, unknown to your students for some time. It erupted suddenly at the age of 45 and ran for 10 years. You had no respect for yourself during that span.

Ruburt was 9 when this began, usual in those days incidentally. (I was surprised at the age, etc.) For some time in your relationshi in this life, Nebene provided you with a framework to contain your own early emotions with your parents.

In this life you equated your own creativity with danger, now, to some degree. In the first place your father's creativity, his inventions, brought him no recognition, no money in your mother's terms. The creativity in your mother simply erupted in emotional tantrums, also dangerous and unproductive. You nicely channeled your creativity into comics, where it was socially acceptable and would also bring recognition in the terms of your society---cash.

Here Nebene within you rushed to your aid. He was appalled that your ability, while disciplined, lacked the intent and purpose, the search for truth and meaning, he felt being adulterated. Ruburt, with high youthful ideals, a strong sense of purpose, then came into the picture.

He was accepted by you and by Nebene. Nebene felt the purpose would save your abilities.

He had already spoken within you, rousing you to dissatisfaction.

Ruburt, who had led him astray in the past, would now lead you into high urpose and dedication. The two of you, Ruburt and Joseph, had already made agreements, as you know. Nebene however carried a grudge as Ruburt does, or rather now as Jane does. Ruburt does not carry grudges.

Nebene, while thankful to Jane, quickly let other aspects enter in once you had safely decided upon painting rather than comics, which were to him degrading. He was then afraid that Ruburt's spontaneity would divert you from the course that it had set you upon, so he began to take a stronger hand.

Part of the stronger hand also had to do with his attempts to help you with your family, to shut you off from too much distracting emotion, when for example you moved back to Sayre after New York. Ruburt however reacted most vehemently against this shutdown of emotional reaction. He felt then the force that was Nebene. Now at times his own overly-conscientious portions would agree quite heartily with Nebene's dictates. Because of his psychic abilities he picked up these qualities quite accurately. They would often seem so different from your own actions at a given time that he became highly confused, and distrusted his own reactions.

At a completely different level of course Nebene and Sharabena---do not ask for spelling now---understood each other quite well, and she would taunt him. Now regardless of what interpretations Ruburt wants to put upon what I am saying, whether or not he wants to accept the reincarnation influence, the fact is that what I am saying has a sychological reality that neither of you can deny, and one that acts constantly in your lives.

Now I must speak through Ruburt. I cannot therefore run willy-nilly without regard for his own psychological workings. On some occasions therefore his fears, and defense of you, would prevent excellent material, and at other times his fierce defense of himself would prevent it.

His fear of the truth of the material, you see, fit in very well with Nebene's tendencies, and so in certain ways they also joined in alliance. Take your break.

(9:44. I told Jane that I had been considering the role Nebene might lay in our relationship in this life, for the last couple of days. I hadn't mentioned this to Jane though in any of our recent long talks.

Resume at 9:56.)

Now, I have much more to say.

The Nebene characteristics came particularly to the fore in the transcription of my book of course, and with the encounter with your friend Sue. Nebene was furious that Ruburt would not speak for him.

Nebene wanted to speak through Ruburt, knowing his abilities, and Ruburt refused.

With you, Nebene checked the details of the book. This put Ruburt under additional pressure, and he began to rebel more. You made some remark that the book was marred because of the great gaps in sessions, Ruburt's attitude, and so forth. Ruburt therefore felt that you were accusing him again of a poor performance, and for other reasons also felt that in your eyes these faults took precedence over the book's obvious merit.

Because of the strain, and because he felt his spontaneity so hampered, he came up with (Oversoul) Seven , defiantly, where Nebene could not follow; pure creativity, he felt, with no factual details that he could be called upon.

A slap in the face to Nebene, saying "Aha, I am using my abilities as frivolously as I dare to, and you will get little more from me." At the same time he also felt guilty and the book, Seven , is filled with purpose regardless.

Seven himself is characterized by a dislike for details, and a grand disregard of formality. He is the epitome of Ruburt's spontaneous self, frivolous in a way of speaking but very definitely, quite of itself, filled with purpose but free-wheeling.

In the beginning it was you who mentioned the rest of the page to Tam---do you follow me?

(No...)

After Ruburt recited his first few sentences--- ("Oh, yes." The first page of] Seven. )

---but when Ruburt merrily began to write you spoke to him quite sharply, reminding him that he was dropping other projects to embark on a new one at Tam's enthusiasm. You implied his abjectness.

Nebene is quite jealous of Tam's influence, such as it is, but again, Nebene let it be known he disapproved. Now this had charge behind it later when you assured Ruburt you were delighted with the project.

You had no such charge. The charge registered. A quick aside: your friend Sue's behavior: she was kicking her heels up at Nebene also.

Now Ruburt's own background this time, with ideas of truth and falsehood, tied in beautifully with Nebene. Nebene was as determined to get the correct reincarnational details because they were in his terms true, as Ruburt was determined to avoid them because in his terms they were not true.

Both of them have some qualities in common, therefore. Ruburt does not like to be held down by details. Nebene insists upon them. Ruburt feels that details often get in the way of intuition. Nebene feels that they are sturdy steps upon which intuition must climb steadily forward.

Now your (underlined) main failure in dealing with Ruburt is an emotional one. You cannot reason with the part of him who felt hurt deeply, or to the part that felt he was rejected. In your attempts to explain yourself in the main, now, you have tried to use logic and reason, when it was as I told you before a feeling of being deprived emotionally. He did not feel deprived intellectually.

You must reach him on the one level that you have been frightened of, through honest expressed emotional feeling, and again as I have told you often, through physical touch. I gave several sessions on that subject alone. The emotions and the physical body are so iterrelated that one automatically affects the other. Ruburt needs to be reassured on an emotional and physical level.

He felt insulted on those levels. You have quite carefully avoided them in your attempts to clear up the problems. The muscles themselves cry out to be soothed, and the physical touch, the relaxation of muscle, brings about an emotional release. An emotional release brings about a muscular one.

Now give us a moment. You can rest your hand.

All of this affected the sessions, and your reactions to the entire experience. I you think you will see many tie-ins. In the last months you have not had sessions. None of you were satisfied. Ruburt is quite deeply committed to them despite all of these colorations, and so are you.

He felt much time wasted, but held off, seeing if an absence from sessions would help his health. He had also resented the coercion that Nebene implied. Nebene was upset because of this own sense of purpose.

Ruburt knew this but would no longer give sessions because he felt forced to.

Nebene has learned a thing or two. He was certain that given the chance Ruburt would throw the sessions over gladly. He did not trust Ruburt's overall consistency, you see. Part of the symptoms these last months have arisen and continued because of these ambiguities.

Therefore there was little consistent attempt made to reassure Ruburt's emotional nature, or reach it on an emotional or physical level. Instead you used reason. Secondly, the conflict over sessions: Ruburt himself felt he was wasting time on the one hand, and on the other was refusing to be coerced.

He also felt that you had already disapproved of [Seth Speaks]

, not understanding the Nebene connection. Take your break.

Incidentally, it is also Nebene who cannot understand why Ruburt's emotional nature cannot be reached intellectually.

(10:32---10:55.)

Now. Your ideas of personality and time dictated your question.

When you think of yourself simply as Robert Butts you limit your reality. Nebene characteristics represent a portion of your reality. It is up to you to use those characteristics as best you can, and they can be very handy in what is a present life existence.

[The lives are simultaneous] . In quite other terms Nebene wonders why he is bothered or hampered in his life situation, so devoted to detail and literal interpretation, by his strong leanings---temptations to him---toward creativity and spontaneity.

In whatever situation you find yourself, in whatever "life," (in quotes)

there will be different focuses of abilities, conflicts of ability that are all challenges. You, as you are, have helped Nebene understand the importance of creativity, and so has Ruburt. And while there have been severe conflicts, understandings on all levels have occurred, and development.

Understanding then, you can use the abilities as you want. Before, they seemed to have an energy of their own, almost at times not a part of you, and Nebene experienced his own creativity as equally apart from him at times.

You quite gladly used those disciplinary abilities, and they served you well in early years as a framework in which you handle your parents' situation. It is up to you to become aware of them, realize their value, but not allow them to block other aspects of your personality.

The Nebene characteristics were also of help in the early days of the sessions in several ways, but I do not want to get off the subject. When you are using them well you think of them as quite your own.

(I'm just wondering when that is.)

Then you are not aware of them. They blend in with your purposes.

Now I will tell you that Ruburt's Josef, in Seven , is a very good approximation of another quite different life of yours, in which the emotions were given the fullest of sway---and you also have those characteristics to draw upon. They were warm, exuberant. Using them, and you do have them, you would have no difficulty in relating emotionally in the way I suggested. In helping Ruburt in this manner, you see, you automatically release portions of your own personality and abilities that have been repressed, and that is a portion of the whole situation.

For other reasons, for one because Josef was undisciplined, you have not spontaneously given expression to that portion of you. To help your wife you can do so. I want you to know therefore that such emotional behavior is a part of your nature. I am dealing with your end of the stick this evening because I had been blocked in the past from doing so, and the information is so pertinent.

The emotional qualities will also help your own work, of course. Both of you will be freer with your feelings, and in communicating them. Now this is enough for this evening. Do you have a particular question?

(I guess not.)

Then we will close.

(It's been very interesting.)

My heartiest good wishes. And I do the best for you that I can.

("Thank you very much. Good night, Seth.")

(11:15. Jane said she remembered little of the delivery, except that Josef was modeled after a life of mine. Then Seth returned:)

Tell Ruburt I said to think of these himself as simultaneous existences, and forget the word reincarnation if he wants. For that matter simultaneous existences is much closer to the truth of the matter. These ersonalities are alive in your now, as you are alive in them now. They are portions of your consciousness, your gestalt of being. They are individualized personalities. All of you draw your characteristics from the one entity that is the bank of your personality.

("Good night, Seth. Thank you." 11:19---11:25.)

Now, let me add several important points, covered earlier. First of all I have given you many sessions looking at the problem from different aspects. The suggestions given, all of them, followed consistently---and none of them were---would have led you through channels of understanding culminating in Ruburt's recovery. Added therefore to reasons given this evening are such issues given earlier, as a concentration upon negatives, and the methods given earlier to counter those will also be of help.

Ruburt's feeling of hopelessness added lately to his symptoms. Now. He ersonally utilizes programs and incentives. He needs his sense of urpose. In this particular situation, in the present, beginning sessions again is helpful in this context. The negative fears that he cannot perform however hypnotize the muscles. The positive suggestions are of great value with these necessary deeper changes of behavior. Do you follow me?

(Yes.)

The approach should be of loving encouragement: "You can. Try, and I will help you." Not, "You must."

I simply wanted to give you at least some idea of the entire picture.

(Louder.)

(Good night, Seth. Thank you.)

The session, to answer Ruburt's silent question, will work no magic by itself. It must be utilized.

("Yes. I understand." 11:33.)