Session 217

SESSION 217 DECEMBER 13, 1965 9 PM MONDAY AS SCHEDULED (In the unscheduled 203rd session of October 28, with the Gallaghers as witnesses, Seth gave some information having to do with the Incas reaching Florida and building small settlements. Whether this is established historically Jane and I do not know. We would merely like to note here the appearance of an article in the New York Times for December 5,1965. This had to do with a team of anthropologists launching a four-year study to assess the culture of a wandering tribe of Indians in South Florida. The Indians came from Central or South America. Some remains have been found. The article did not say these Indians were Inca. Interestingly enough, one of the three anthropologists heading the expedition is Dr. John M. Lonyear 3d, of Colgate. Serious digging begins next month.

(The 22nd envelope test was held this evening. The test object was a ball-point pen drawing of a dog; my four-year-old nephew made it while my brother Bill’s family and Jane and I visited my parents last Sunday. I thought David’s drawing good for one his age, and added notes of my own. I intended to file it for the future, but today decided it would make a good test subject. Jane had not seen it. The drawing is on paper the weight of this page. A drawing on the back doesn’t apply here. I sealed it in the usual double envelopes, between two pieces of Bristol.

(As suggested by Seth in the 212th session, I have been keeping a record of outside weather conditions just preceding each session. Seven categories of data are involved.

(Once again, as described in the 215th session, a candle was lighted just before the session began. As before, it was sheltered from Jane’s vision. The room was well lighted. As soon as I lit the candle the flame soared up to a height that was easily two inches, and remained there without interruption for about twenty minutes. This was twice as high as in the 215th session. The same candle was used. Jane knew it was lit of course but we did not talk about it, and she did not see the flame until first break. I could not account for the extraordinary height of the flame. There were no drafts; the session was held in our small back room, and the windows were closed.

(Jane began speaking while sitting down, at an average pace and in an average voice; her pace soon began to speed up. As in the 213th session, her eyes opened as soon as she began speaking, which is quite unusual. Jane’s eyes continued to open and close while she spoke.)

You may put this into your records or you may not, as you prefer. And you will have to take my word for what I am saying for the present, regardless of how impatient you may be.

Ruburt’s book will do very well. I am not speaking now in terms of riches. Nevertheless your immediate financial worries will definitely be over within a two-year period, when his other books will also begin to show in financial terms. You will be quite comfortably situated.

I suggest that you purchase the Sherman book by all means.

Your holiday plans can be of excellent benefit to you both. Your friend Mark telepathically picked up your attitudes concerning his friend at your last meeting, not this evening’s meeting, and he changed some of his plans because of your attitudes.

On that particular occasion he was, contrary to appearances, quite open to suggestion because he was off guard. You did him a service by going out with him that evening, although you may have not realized it. And in some respects he is good for you. Particularly you, Joseph. He stretches you, both your sympathies and your understanding, and you both benefit.

(The book mentioned by Seth is one on ESP by Harold Sherman.

(Mark is Bill Macdonnel’s entity name. Bill has witnessed several earlier sessions. The holiday plans concern a party we planned with Bill, to be held at his art gallery.

(Jane and I went dancing with Bill and his girlfriend, whom we had not met before, two weekends ago. Bill appeared to be much smitten, and during the evening paid little attention to us, much to our amusement. This evening he surprised Jane and me by telling us he was not seeing the girl anymore. Jane and I said nothing to him about his girl; we liked her very much. She is quite young. Bill is 27.)

We shall have much to say concerning the interaction of personalities on many occasions, as there is much that is not understood. The interactions are so swift that they cannot be physically measured, and the sort of parties that you are planning are of great psychic benefit from a variety of standpoints.

Now. Let us return to our discussion on action, and tie this in with action as it is seen within dreams. Your own dreams greatly affect the actions that you take within the physical situation, and as you know telepathy operates within dreams.

This material is somewhat of a personal nature. Nevertheless your young brother, this previous weekend, rather suddenly displayed an inclination to say no when he felt that needless demands were being put upon him.

Your parents definitely let him know that they wanted a new television set, and he quite uncharacteristically told them it was impossible as far as he was concerned. His physical action, his refusal, was based upon a telepathic communication with you, in the dream state, on those evenings when you had the dreams which I interpreted for you.

(See the unscheduled 216th session, the notes on my dreams involving my younger brother Bill, and Seth’s analysis.)

This firmness on his part saved the situation, for your parents clearly understood what could be expected and what could not be expected. There is obviously no way to prove that this communication took place. On those evenings however when you dream of a certain individual, you may strongly suspect that the same individual is dreaming of you. The trouble is that the other individual most likely has not trained himself to recall his dreams, and so we can prove little.

The telepathic message picked up in dreams under such circumstances will of course be interpreted by the dreaming self in its own way, symbolically, so that the dream actions may not appear to be the same. If it were possible to examine two such allied dream communications however, the connection between them would be very clear.

In years to come we may be able to work along these lines, but this will be in the future. It is nevertheless an important point.

Ruburt will benefit by our vacation, and also by Sherman’s book. There are some good hints in it. Obviously I cannot tell you everything at once, and the man’s abilities are well developed. We are doing quite well ourselves, considering our circumstances, and we shall do better.

Our results with Dr. Instream have been better , by far, than fair. But he is still looking for more specific data, and I believe we can give it to him.

Our tests must be considered in the light of action, for this is what they are. They involve a more immediate and basic action than physical mobility, and therefore we are concerned with manipulations that are not physical. The associations, personal associations on Ruburt’s part, when they are directly connected to test objects in our envelope tests, represent to some degree a step forward on his part.

We are not speaking of my part now; for in such cases the connections are becoming specific, you see, and the preliminary connection has been made. The personal associations on his part that do not apply to the test object, do represent the fact that his own abilities have not fully developed.

Within a fairly decent amount of time, Ruburt and I will be able to work hand in hand, so that our own separate perceptions will build up together, to a more or less precise picture of the object involved. But upon many occasions his personal associations now are connected with the object; so he does not fight me, but we work together.

I suggest a brief break. I also suggest that during our vacation you take your own time, extra time, for reading. It will also be to your advantage to make a habit of taking a sketch pad with you to parties and so forth; since you are known as an artist, this will not be considered unusual or strange, and your own work will benefit. You will pick up intuitional data concerning various personalities in action, and this will aid you in your painting.

(Break at 9:30. Jane was dissociated as usual for a first delivery. Her eyes had frequently opened to some extent, though not fully; they had been very dark. Her pace had been quite fast.

(The candle flame had begun to subside about ten minutes ago, and was now down to about a 3 / 4 -inch height, from its estimated high of two inches earlier in the session. It now burned quite steadily at this low point, just as it had burned equally steadily earlier.

(Shortly after Jane began speaking again the candle flame climbed back up to a two-inch height. Her eyes were now closed, her pace once again good. Resume at 9:40.)

In actual cash Ruburt will receive approximately $3,500.00 in the following year, though this will not represent all that he will make, and the amount will double in the next two years. From then on you will do very well. Again, you may or may not insert this in the record, as you prefer.

Now. Briefly I would like to return to your dreams, the same ones that we began to interpret the other evening.

(Again, see the unscheduled 216th session. We hadn’t asked Seth specifically to continue with these dreams, but still hoped he would, soon.)

On another level they represent something quite different. You saw your young brother in a fetus position, for he will be born again within the physical universe, and you will not. You averted the barrier, which was another existence within this field. He did not.

He went first however because he will die shortly before you, and incidentally in many years to come, and not at a young age. He will live to old age, particularly to compensate for an early death in a past existence.

He will take particular joy in watching his own children develop, because he did not develop in that past life to maturity, though this of course was not definitely in your dream.

(Since I am nine years older than Bill, it appears that we will both be quite ancient at death. I do not believe that Jane would have allowed such data to come through too many sessions ago, although she did permit Seth to say quite a while ago that she herself would live to old age. That data was also connected to dream analysis and reincarnation.

(Seth was giving general reincarnational data on my family and on Jane’s as early as the 9th session, while avoiding such things as times of death, etc. Actually the concept of reincarnation made its appearance in the first session. Seth began to be more specific on family reincarnational data when he told Jane and me in a very early session that neither of us would be born again on the physical plane; this, he said, accounted for our lack of children and the desire for them. Seth explained that both of us had been parents before, experiencing both the male and female roles. We have a little material on this; we always are intending to ask for more but somehow don’t seem to get around to it. See Volume 1.)

You saw Ruburt outside the window because he was not directly involved with the relationship between you and your father.

The swing represented your feeling that after all Ruburt was relatively free, on the one hand, from the problem. Therefore you saw him as swinging free. This represented part of your feelings. The other part was represented by your concern for him, for although he was not as directly affected as you, he would still be involved.

The waterfall represented physical death on this level, you see, both of you dying, your brother and yourself; but he first and already adopting the birth position, for he will choose another life rather quickly. He is impulsively drawn to things of earth.

(Jane’s eyes had again been opening and closing rather often. The candle flame, now, attained its highest point of the evening; it was well over an estimated two inches in height, rising up to such a height that a thin trail of black smoke escaped from it. Since the windows were still closed and there were no drafts, I could not account for the flame’s height. The candle is a large one, with a diameter of at least two inches and with very little taper. As before it sat out of the reach of Jane’s breath, and although it was closer to me I took care to keep my head averted so that my own breath could not influence it. Perhaps temperature changes within the candle could influence it after it has burned for a while, although it felt no warmer to me.)

He will be born in a warm climate. You both started out from a cold one, hence the snow. Much of this is indeed personal, but is involved here. I would like to make it plain that your mother literally prods your father enough to keep him from withdrawing completely, and he has much to thank her for regardless of their differences.

Without her there would be no vividness for him, for he is unable to relate himself outward. It was because she wanted to feel close to you that she called you this evening, more than anything else, although there was a misunderstanding involved.

Your own attitudes toward the family have changed considerably, and have become more tolerant since our sessions. Such tolerance helps you as well as those otherwise involved. Ruburt’s own attitude toward his mother has also become less rigid, largely as a result of our sessions. When you are quiet and not condemning others you can see them more clearly, and you are not afraid of them for you become stronger. You will find yourself enjoying the Christmas season, even with your relatives, for you understand now that a basic reality is involved.

You had better take a brief break before our Dr. Instream material.

(Break at 9:59. Jane had been dissociated as usual. Her eyes had opened and closed quite often, and she had smoked a cigarette. Her pace had been fast.

(The candle flame maintained its unusual height until break, then it began to subside somewhat, and continued to do so through the Dr. Instream material to follow. However it did not reach its earlier 3 / 4 -inch low point. Jane said she had been aware of no feeling of energy thrusting sideways out of her toward the candle, as she had been in the 215th session. This is the 25th Dr. Instream test.

(As usual now Jane’s pace slowed up, though not to a great degree. She sat with her eyes closed, her face tipped down to meet the ashtray beside her. Resume at 10:07.)

Now give us a moment, please. (Pause.)

A somewhat unusual event today for our friend. That is, not an event that is usually within his daily schedule, involving two other people. (Pause.) The circumstance having a connection with a letter from the western portion of the country, or west of his location, from a university or large foundation of some sort, or from a man who is connected with such a group.

An occasion also at his home, where five were present. (Pause.) Another situation involving a young man and a family connection. He wears a robe with a large pocket, rather unusual pocket. (Pause.)

I pick up a connection with cork , but do not know to what this refers. (Pause.) Will you put Ruburt’s cigarette out for him, please.

(“Yes.” (This is the first time I can recall where Jane herself interrupted such test data in this manner. She did not appear to be distracted, however, or to break off in the middle of a piece of information. I put out the cigarette; its smoke had been drifting toward her.)

The unusual event I mentioned occurred I believe about three this afternoon, or he learned of it then.

A succession of numbers in a row, backwards, as of 10, 9, et cetera.

He is feeling better now than he did at our last session.

A connection now with Dr. Rhine, and some arrangements or a letter. The initials, I believe J. B. R., and a letter from a publisher. The initials could be J. R. B..

(J. B. R. of course being Dr. Rhine’s initials. And J. R. B. can be the initials of Jane Roberts Butts. Dr. Rhine is also a parapsychologist.)

Do you have a test for me?

(“Yes.” (It was 10:15, and time for our 22nd envelope test. Jane took the sealed double envelope from me without opening her eyes. Now she did something new for her in these tests. For several seconds she held the envelope directly against her forehead. Her eyes remained closed. Then she lowered the envelope to her lap.)

Give us a moment, please.

These are impressions. The numbers 1, 2, 3. A room. Round shapes. The number 12. Perhaps the twelfth month, though I am not sure.

A connection with another location, perhaps out of this town. Two people, yet some connection with a summer scene, and water.

A stopwatch, though I do not know to what this refers. An upright composition. A group, but I pick up busts rather than full figures, and a round object. People about a round object, such as a table.

6 as in 6 o’clock. A letter or note. The color yellow. Light tissue paper. 1963 or 1965.

Something missing, and someone who could not come.

I suggest your break.

(Break at 10:22. Jane was dissociated as usual. Her eyes had remained closed, her pace had been fairly good. She said that nothing she said in either test made particular sense to her.

(The candle flame had fluctuated a bit at low ebb during the tests, but had not reached its previous height by far.

(Jane said she received a few visual images during the envelope test, but that they were not sensational by any means. They will be mentioned below.

(See the tracing of the test object on page 131. During last Sunday there was a family gathering at my parents’ home in nearby Sayre, PA. There were twelve people in all: My parents, Jane and I, my brother Loren, his wife and son, and my brother Bill and his wife, and their two daughters and one son. Bill’s son is named David, he is four years old, and it is he who drew the test object, with a black ball-point pen on white paper.

(As Seth explains on page 134 of this session, some of the test data tonight represents preliminary connections with the test object, just as in the last envelope test with the drawing made by Roy Fox. Thus Jane’s personal associations are now often connected with the test object, and she is working with Seth and not against him.

(Jane said that Seth’s count of 1, 2, 3 was his way—or Jane’s?—of leading up to the number 4 that I wrote on the drawing, referring to David’s age. “A room” is too general. Also “Round shapes”; although there are round shapes on the drawing. “The number 12” can apply easily enough. Not only is the month of the test the twelfth month, but there were twelve people present in Sayre the day the test object was drawn. And again, the test object was drawn on December 12th, and so dated by me.

(At first Jane and I thought that the out of town location applied to our going to Sayre yesterday. Then we saw that it referred to a visit Jane and I made to visit Bill in Rochester last summer, for here “summer scene, and water” enters in. We went swimming with Bill and his family in Lake Ontario. We recall this especial ly because the usual beaches at Rochester were polluted by hordes of dead fish; we had to drive some distance to find a suitable swimming spot.

(“A stopwatch” does not ring a bell with us. We think David’s drawing of the dog can be called an “upright composition.” The next statement, about “A group... busts rather than full figures... people about a round object, such as a table,” is quite interesting, and can apply twice, as the number twelve applied four times. My par ents’ dining room table is round, and of course we ate Sunday dinner at this table. My parents also have a round mirror-topped coffee table in the living room. It is a low table; often a group of the children would be playing games on the table, and to do this they had to sit on the floor. Thus only their torsos projected above the tabletop, and were reflected in the mirror.

(6 as in 6 o’clock is not specific enough for easy conscious connection. “A letter or note” can refer to the notes for reference I made on David’s drawing. “The color yellow” we think is a strong connection to the drawing of the dog; Dick recently obtained a puppy for his children, and when Jane and I asked David to describe the dog he called it orange at first, then yellow.

(“Light tissue paper” may be nebulous. Jane and I gave the children their Christmas presents Sunday, and rather than wait for Christmas they opened the gifts then. They were wrapped in regular Christmas paper; if this is called tissue It can be a connection. The test object was drawn in 1965 of course, not 1963. The thought here is that calligraphically the numerals 3 and 5 are quite similar.

(Finally, “Something missing, and someone who could not come,” is also interesting. As soon as the test was over, and I believe before she knew what the test object was, Jane told me that she believed “Something” and “someone” referred to the same thing. Only one member of the family was missing at the gathering Sunday, and this was my brother Loren’s daughter Linda, who was at work in Scranton, PA. It was too far away for her to make the trip up to Sayre, and back, in one day.

(Jane also said that Seth was going to say something about lettering on the test object, but she did not give voice to it. I had made notes on it.

(The candle flame was still down when Jane resumed, with her eyes closed, at 10:30.)

We will now close our session, though you may watch the candle for a moment, as I am teaching Ruburt how to use energy. It is a rather simple matter of directing basic energy along certain lines outside of the physical organism. Everyone does this subconsciously to begin with.

(As soon as Seth mentioned the candle, its flame began to grow. Rather quickly, the flame reached up to a height beneath its maximum for the session, which was well over an estimated two inches. its growth now was quite respectable however, per haps to something just under two inches. Considering the earlier displays by the flame, I now had a question.)

(“Were there earlier demonstrations by the flame that weren’t accidental?”)

There were. We would like to perfect this. Smoothly however, so that we are able to announce it ahead of time, to show that other conditions are not working such as drafts and so forth. Have you been watching the candle as I spoke?

(“Yes.” (Jane’s eyes were still closed, and the flame was still up.)

Now it should be getting quite a bit higher.

(“Yes.” (Seth paused briefly. The flame climbed a little more. It was quite steady, but still short of its high for the evening.)

And now I suggest we end the session.

(“Good night, Seth.” (End at 10:33. Jane was dissociated as usual. Her eyes had remained closed. She now told me that once again she had felt the peculiar sideways thrust, as of energy, directed toward the candle to her right. See page 124 of the 215th session for the first instance of this effect.

(Jane now relaxed on the bed. Peculiarly now, we saw the candle flame shoot up to equal its previous high, well over two inches. A delayed reaction? Jane now felt no energy thrust.)

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(Tracing of the envelope front used in the envelope test, the 23rd, in the 218th session for December 15,1965.)